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Marvin Shilmer
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Please post new forum feedback or questions here
by Simon inwell, the switchover happened - there were a couple of things i had to fix which meant the posting was disabled for longer than i planned but it's now enabled and some people have already posted.. if you have any questions about the new format or suggestions on how to improve it, please post them here.. if you are having trouble signing in or posting then you'll need to email me instead.. many thanks to everyone for their patience during the changeover !.
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Watchtower Top Doctor on Blood
by Marvin Shilmer intoday i added a new article to my blog.
the information is a little dated.
material cited was published in 1973. but i don't find any good sources online for this information so i published it myself.. the doctor involved (now deceased) was dr. j lowell dixon.
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Marvin Shilmer
There is another JW medical doctor who has published articles more recently in support of Watchtower's blood doctrine. He did this in year 2007 and again in year 2011. His name is Harvey Jon Schiller.
His work is telling in that he offers no shred of biblical support. But his work is telling for something else too.
Of Dr. Schiller's work:
Watchtower doctor being honest? at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/03/watchtower-doctor-being-honest.html
Watchtower Doctor on Blood at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/03/watchtower-doctor-on-blood.html
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Watchtower Top Doctor on Blood
by Marvin Shilmer intoday i added a new article to my blog.
the information is a little dated.
material cited was published in 1973. but i don't find any good sources online for this information so i published it myself.. the doctor involved (now deceased) was dr. j lowell dixon.
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Marvin Shilmer
Today I added a new article to my blog. The information is a little dated. Material cited was published in 1973. But I don't find any good sources online for this information so I published it myself.
The doctor involved (now deceased) was Dr. J Lowell Dixon. He was Medical Director for Watchtower for years. This is the first instance known to me where Dr. Dixon went on the record with a published article presenting theological premises supposely in support of Watchtower's infamous blood doctrine. His premises are false at every turn. None of this is earth-shaking news. But Dixon's article deserves attention for sake of those who might Google it (or Dixon) and need reference material.
The article is titled Watchtower Top Doctor on Blood and is available at: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2014/12/watchtower-top-doctor-on-blood.html
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How do you overcome this JW excuse?
by EdenOne induring one of those meetings that took place before my jc, one of the elders, who was a good friend of mine back then and used to come up with a few outlandish personal views about some teachings, attempted to counter one of my arguments like this:.
eden - "well, if the truth doesn't change, why is it that what we teach as 'truth' has changed over the years (several examples given)?
how can we dogmatically claim at any given moment that we have 'the truth' if our teachings keep changing?".
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Marvin Shilmer
I would simply blink my eyes, smile and say, "You're scaring me!"
That's perfect!!!
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How do you overcome this JW excuse?
by EdenOne induring one of those meetings that took place before my jc, one of the elders, who was a good friend of mine back then and used to come up with a few outlandish personal views about some teachings, attempted to counter one of my arguments like this:.
eden - "well, if the truth doesn't change, why is it that what we teach as 'truth' has changed over the years (several examples given)?
how can we dogmatically claim at any given moment that we have 'the truth' if our teachings keep changing?".
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Marvin Shilmer
Elder - "The Organization is only wrong when we look back and see that Jehovah corrected its course. So, it's only wrong in retrospect, never at present time. If Jehovah allows for a teaching or procedure to persist, it's because He wants it that way, therefore it can Never be wrong at any time in present time".
That reasoning would mean every religious organization on the face of planet earth teaches "The Truth."
What this man is guilty of is properly termed rationalization. You can't reason with someone who's content to rationalize and call it rational.
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Could the allowance of blood fractions be curtailing the growth of the religion?
by Apognophos inso, imagine that you're just a regular joe who's not familiar with the witnesses and is looking for the answers to life, the universe, and everything.
you hear a knock at your door.
before long, you are studying with a jehovah's witness.
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Marvin Shilmer
I asked the question from an elder/circuit overseer substitute: Where in the Bible can we find support to accept fractions? He said, "I will get back to you".
In year 2000 Watchtower published the GB's reason for not prohibiting blood "fractions" (such as cryoprecipitate, cryosupernatant, albumin and a long, long list of other blood derivatives) saying, "The Bible does not give details, so a Christian must make his own conscientious decision before God."
So I asked a then CO "Where does the Bible give details about white cells isolated from blood so a Christian knows accepting this from blood is wrong?
He looked at me with a blank stare and replied, "We have the faithful slave to help us understand that issue". I pressed the issue saying "Yes. I understand the slave gives us its conclusion that accepting white cells is wrong, but what biblical text gives any more detail about white cells compared with cryoprecipitate so we know accepting one is definitely wrong whereas accepting the other may not definitely be wrong?"
He recommended I pray about it. I told him I had prayed mightily about it and so far had not gotten an answer. He suggested that perhaps my prayers were being hindered due to my critical perspective...
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No words
by mikeypants inso, i'm visiting family this week who are all jws.
yesterday, it started with one of them talking about a co giving her some points on time keeping for service.
she is now writing a letter before she drives to service, so she can count her drive time.
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Marvin Shilmer
Another anecdote:
CO comes to town telling publishers “It’s not about the time”.
Next CO comes to town telling elders “Congregation hours are down. What’s going on?” He then gives speeches during meetings for FS about how to “start” your hours using clever rationalizations (like writing a note to leave at a not-at-homes just before you leave home to come to the KH for FS, and dropping a magazine somewhere enroute to meetings for GS). All this is shared under the rationale of “making your time count” (meaning: find a way to get your hours up with clever ways of soothing your consciences).
Next CO comes to town telling publishers “It’s not about the time”.
And it goes on…
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No words
by mikeypants inso, i'm visiting family this week who are all jws.
yesterday, it started with one of them talking about a co giving her some points on time keeping for service.
she is now writing a letter before she drives to service, so she can count her drive time.
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Marvin Shilmer
The time hedging thing always amazed me.
One CO recommended a pioneer stop by a local laundromat and leave a magazine on her way to meetings for field service at the KH. The laundry was downstairs from her apartment. The KH was nearly a 1-hour drive. When she met at the KH guess where publishers would always be sent for FS (in order to help out the pioneer sister who would otherwise have to put even more miles on her auto!)? Yep. Right back to her neighborhood. She clocked 2 hours just coming and going.
So inefficient, and such a waste of time, talent and resources. And it had nothing whatsoever about loving your neighbor as yourself.
One of the then publishers who'd regularly make the trip to sister-pioneer's neighborhood (to help her out!!!) turned out to be a pedophile. He was looking for victims in FS. This was back in the early 1970s. Those kids had no idea the advice of a CO helping a pioneed hedge her hours was in the chain of events that led to their exposure.
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Plymouth Herald: Mother reveals torment as JW is jailed for sexually abusing her daughter
by AndersonsInfo insee original thread here on jwn: http://www.jehovahs-witness.net/watchtower/child-abuse/288910/3/jehovahe28099s-witness-elder-jailed-for-12-years-for-multiple-sexual-offences-against-young-girl.
http://www.plymouthherald.co.uk/mother-reveals-torment-jehovah-s-witness-jailed/story-25741246-detail/story.html.
mother reveals torment as jehovah's witness is jailed for sexually abusing her daughter.
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Marvin Shilmer
So hurting to know such monsters are around and hurting the most vulnerable amongst us. So hurting...
Thanks Barbara. It takes tremendous wherewithal to keep going on the mission you've taken on to help children!
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"Jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet"
by EndofMysteries in"as we might expect, over the years jehovah has helped the faithful and discreet slave to become steadily more discreet.
" 3/2015 study wt.
i guess they just admitted their self title as the discreet slave was not discreet.
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Marvin Shilmer
"As we might expect, over the years Jehovah has helped “the faithful and discreet slave” to become steadily more discreet."--3/2015 Study WT
My question is this:
Why did it take Jehovah over one-hundred years to help the “the faithful and discreet slave” to know WHAT it was a spokesperson FOR?
See Mother of All Mistakes!: http://marvinshilmer.blogspot.com/2012/11/mother-of-all-mistakes.html
How credible can you be if you DON'T KNOW WHAT you are supposedly speaking in behalf of and have gotten that simple fact wrong for a century?